What Do You Think About Tithing?

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What Do You Think About Tithing?

Postby Edwin » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:34 am

In I Corinthians 16:2; “Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.”

The Apostle Paul is saying that he wants the people to give money for the suffering Christians in Jerusalem. He doesn’t want to have to collect that money after he gets there, but he wants it to be ready for them to take to the suffering church in Jerusalem. What he suggests is that they give according to how God has prospered them. If they have a lot of money and can afford it, he wants them to give what they can.

I don’t think there is any hard and fast rule about this. A builder of large road construction equipment, Letourneau, was a Christian and also very wealthy. I can’t remember what percentage he gave, but it was a high percentage, like 80 %, and I might be wrong about that, but it was a high percentage. He made enough money so that it was not a hardship for him, and that was great and wonderful that he was willing to do that.

We had an older church member years ago who supported the church faithfully. He was a rancher, raising cows and calves. He said that he could not afford to tithe of his gross income, but he had to tithe of his net income after operating expenses were deducted, otherwise he would have gone out of business, because he needed enough money to operate and keep paying his expenses. I think that is reasonable.

Ten percent has generally always been the rule of thumb for tithing. I think that is what the word tithe means. Hebrews chapter 7 talks about Jesus being a priest after the order of Melchisedec, Priest of the most high God. Abraham paid tithes to him. Genesis 14:17-24; tells about the tithing that Abraham gave of the spoil that he took from the enemy when he rescued Lot and the women.

Matthew 23:23; Jesus had some harsh things to say to the scribes and Pharisees because they were so particular to tithe of their garden produce, but they were omitting the weightier matters of the law, like judgment, mercy, and faith. Jesus told them that they should have given attention to the judgment, mercy, and faith, and not to neglect what they were already doing.

Jesus said that these people were hypocrites because they told other people what to do, but they didn’t do it themselves. 23:4; “For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with on of their fingers.”

I think sometimes people overly zealous to complete projects that they are involved in for the church will high pressure people. They will make the people feel like they should be doing more than they are, or more than they should have to. I remember one preacher raising money for missions coming to our church when I was still in high school. He made people feel guilty that they bought candy and ice cream, and why didn’t they give the money to missionaries instead. He also talked about their house expenses, electricity, water, telephone, sewage, and garbage, and why were they not giving more money to missionaries. He was making the people feel ashamed because they were buying things to eat and paying their bills, and why were they not giving more money to missionaries. Our Pastor thought what this guy was doing was wonderful, but my Dad was not happy about they way this guy went about raising money.

Malachi 3:8-12; indicates that God expects tithes and offerings to be given to Him, for Him. These tithes and offerings are for the benefit of God’s work. There is a blessing that is promised for giving to God.

The giving is to be out of a cheerful heart, not because a person thinks he/she has to give. The giving is as God has prospered, and as God has laid it upon the heart of the person to give. Some give out of their abundance, like Letourneau. It doesn’t hurt them to give, and they are glad to do that. Some give as Jesus observed in the temple, the widow’s mite, meaning they have very little, but they give what they have, and what they can, and Jesus suggested the widow’s mite giving was a greater gift than the person giving out of their abundance, like Letourneau, although Letourneau’s giving was great and wonderful, and he gave it as unto the Lord.

You should not feel obligated to give until you don’t have enough for what you need. The sale of property is not a profit for you, but it is your investment, your property, and you should not be expected to tithe from the sale of property. Because if you give a way a portion of your property, you would have less property, and I don’t think God expects that of you. I wouldn’t tithe from the sale of property, because you will need to replace that property, by buying more property somewhere else, and that is a need that you have.

To answer your question, “Do we really need to pay tithes from income tax return?” I would say that you should decide what you are able to give, what God lays on your heart to give, give it willingly, and be happy that you can give that. A business person should not feel obligated to tithe from the gross income, but tithe from the income after expenses. I don’t think you should feel obligated to tithe to the point of not having enough left to pay your living expenses, or leave you with only bare bones. You should be able to feel like you are doing well financially, and that you are able to give to the Lord.

If you win something, it is like income, making money, and you could consider giving out of your winnings if you are able to do that, and that is just up to you on that. So if you win, and the Lord lays on your heart to give a little, then that is good, and it will make you feel wonderful. But if you need what you win, and to give some of it away would work a hardship on you, make it difficult for you, then you shouldn’t feel obligated to give from the winnings. Say you don’t know how you are going to get by, or how you are going to pay for something that you need, and then you win, making that possible for your need to be met, then meet your need, and you have been given that, so don’t feel obligated to give it away when it has met your need. If you have abundance, and you want to give a little away, and God has laid that on your heart, then that is great. But don’t feel obligated to give away everything that you have and then wonder how you are going to have enough to get by, to pay expenses, to buy groceries, food, and so on.

I hope this has helped to answer your question you have about tithing. It should not be a legal binding thing, but a joyous giving from the heart because you can, and because you want to. It is like, “Lord, I can give, I want to, and I will receive a blessing for giving.” Let me know if this has helped you? If you can’t give, you can’t give. If you can give a little, give a little. If you can give a lot, give a lot. Give as God lays it on your heart.

I hope I helped to lessen your confusion about this subject. It is a hard subject for a lot of people. I think the Bible teaches that giving is good and important. I think also it is up to you. You have the freedom to decide where and how and how much you will give. I don’t think there are any hard and fast rules about that. If you get your help from your local church then you should help your local church as you can. I, as a minister, was obligated to send all of my tithes to administrative offices, of the Northwest District, near Seattle, Washington, and the National headquarters in Springfield, Missouri. Now that I am past 65 years old the organization has lifted that requirement as well as other requirements. I am no longer required to preach a certain number of times each year, as I was for years, and I am no longer required to pay any money to the Assembies of God organization, but I can give where God lays it on my heart to give. They are changing that in this area, as others younger than I, when they get my age, they will require them to pay to them for the rest of their lives. If I were ministering part or full time I would be required to pay to them, but I am considered retired, so I am no longer obligated to pay, but I still have my minister’s credentials, allowing me to minister when the need arises, or when I am invited. :D :D :D :D
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Re: What Do You Think About Tithing?

Postby red » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:03 pm

Thanks for that post sir ed. I understand everything. I am wondering in some church here Pastors makes people guilty its like pressuring to give 10% on tithe when you see some of the members are living so poor struggling for daily needs and school fees of their children to public schools. I kinda find it unfair.
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Re: What Do You Think About Tithing?

Postby Edwin » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:35 pm

You are welcome, Red! No one should be made to feel guilty, or to be put under pressure. The brother of filipina friend who lives her, and is from Manila and Negros Oriental, told me about a church that he was attending for a while, and he told me that they put so much pressure on him to give more money, that he finally quit, because he is not a rich man and needed to support his family. I am very glad he quit because it was a false religion. I will not identify the religion her, so I don't hurt anyone's feelings, but if anyone is curious and wants to PM me, I will tell what the religion is, and almost everyone would agree I am sure that it is a false church. He returned to the Catholic church, which was a better choice! Some of his relatives are Pentecostal, and some of them are El Shaddai.

Yes, it is unfair to pressure people to try to get them to do what they are not able to do, and God does not expect that! :D :D :D :D
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Re: What Do You Think About Tithing?

Postby crisipicada » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:01 am

I was a hard time to return my tithes before, what I did is that, I pray to the Lord that He will give me a heart to return and be obedient to Him. About giving, it is beyond your tithes wherein you are capable of. Just like Mission Offering, at this moment, we are praying for certain amount in the year to give for the mission. At this time, we are exercising faith that God will give us wisdom how to gain wealth. And it is Him who give us wisdom. God sees our hearts and motives, so it is important to pray also to have good motive of giving.

About also building fund where we are raising at church where i am attending, it is from the heart of what you are capable of. So, it is important to pray also to ask the Lord how much He will impress in your heart to support for the building fund.

Wherever I have an income, let us say 5,000 pesos. I am not counting 5,000 as my income but it is already in my mind that my income is 4,500 because 500 belongs to the Lord. Beyond the salary I am receiving, let us say, mid year bonus, amounting to 10,000, I already know that God give me 9,000 and not 10,000 because the 1,000 belongs to the Lord. That means, i should live within the 90% income God bless me. So out of 90%, then I would pray to the Lord how much will I give to my commitment for mission and also for the building fund, etc.

Try the Lord, return His part, have a cheerful heart to give, and you will be amazed, God will pour out blessing from heaven, press down and nothing to put into it because it is beyond measurable. Try it and you will be blessed. :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: What Do You Think About Tithing?

Postby Edwin » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:35 am

That is a great way to think of this, Crisi, that 10 % belongs to the Lord, so you don't even count on that as part of your income, but view 90 % as what you have for you living expenses. Then yes, the Lord is the one who gives wisdom, and we seek Him to help us gain wealth, so that we can support missions, and so that we can contribute to the church building fund. That is very good.

Luke 6:38; "Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again."

Malachi 3:10; "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."

As Crisi said, you will be amazed at how God will open His windows of heaven and bless you as you give to Him with a cheerful heart. God says, "Prove me now...(and see) if I will not open (to) you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it." :D :D :D :D
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Re: What Do You Think About Tithing?

Postby Smiley » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:06 am

I don`t really tithe. But,then again,I don`t actually belong to a church.
I sometimes go to an Orthodox church,The priest there is a friend of mine.I actually spend more time doing maintenance there than worshiping. There is an evangelical church nearby that I have promised I would attend as well. I am the sort of guy that takes promises made very seriously so I expect to be in attendance there pretty soon.You might say that I`m sorta shopping for a church as I have never had one.There is a Christian motorcycle club in the area but except for a couple members I have little confidence. One of the members though I have known for years and has been a lot of help to me since I became a Christian. Like me,he has had a long involvement in clubs.Until a few years ago he was a member of the Hells Angels who were always on good terms with my club.
I give both time and money to areas of the community that seem to be in the most need.I like to help both individuals and organizations when I can.For a long time I was not able to offer much in the way of money as I was a single Dad with two daughters and a special-needs son.They are all grown now
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Re: What Do You Think About Tithing?

Postby Edwin » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:34 am

Smiley, I am glad that you are a good friend of the Orthodox Priest, and that you help with maintenance. I am also glad that you promised that you re going to attend that Evangelical Church. I hope and pray that your soul is ministered to! My mother's younger brother was not a Christian, or a church attender most of his life. He said more bad words, more often than anyone I have ever heard in my life! I always thought he was a heathen with no hope of changing, but we always prayed for him. His grandfather was a Baptist preacher, but he didn't inherit his ways. Anyway this uncle of mine got involved with the Cowboy Rodeo Church, and he became a Christian, and lived the rest of his life to honor God, and we were all so thankful for that as we did not think it would ever happen. He was still rodeoing, riding horses in rodeos past 80 years old and he got into a horse mishap in Reno, Nevada, and eventually within a short time after that he died as a result, but he became a practicing Christian, and his life was completely turned around, including the way he talked! :D :D :D :D
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Re: What Do You Think About Tithing?

Postby red » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:38 am

Wow very good of Smiley. Every good deed you doing like helping donating etc is actually building your mansion in heaven. Slowly you are putting up the materials for your mansion.

Another thing i learned from Bible study is Submission to authority. Means submitting every thing to God all your plans, desires, etc. If we are obedient to God we will be blessed. Will have overflowing blessings and God will prepare our paths aheadd. That is beautiful reward but if we the opposite and do our ways not submitting to Him then curse and hardships will destroy us.
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Re: What Do You Think About Tithing?

Postby Edwin » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:50 am

Yes, Red, God put a choice before the Children of Israel, "Choose life, or choose death." We can chose the blessings or we can choose the curses. Jesus is preparing a place for us, and He will come again, and receive us to be with Him. Truely, our real treasures are in heaven. "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life are not of the father but are of the world. The world and its lusts passes away, but the one who does the will of the father will abide forever." Yes, when Smiley does things for others, he does them for God, and God will reward him. "The only way to be happy in Jesus, is to trust and obey!"
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Re: What Do You Think About Tithing?

Postby red » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:54 am

Yes sir, thats true!
reminds me of song for kids . trust and obey for theres no other way to be happy with Jesus is to trust and obey....amen
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